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The end of "good" music
#11
I cannot stand the term producers when used in the current music industry setup. Strictly speaking, if somebody produces something, they automatically become producers. So if I happen to produce a fart it means I am a producer! But we all know what being a producer really means. They had a difficult job managing their clients (think Pete Townshend/Keith Moon) but never 'produced' a single note of music. That wasn't their job. Their job was to look at the overall big picture of the album being created, find the right session musicians, book studios, manage marketing and above all else TELL the artist that what they had just produced in the studio was crap - they were a one-man quality control system. That's one of the mistakes of the current model. People are creating crap but there is no-one there to tell them that the material sucks - the result is an oversupply of second-rate rubbish.

Yes there are artists producing quality material but they are few and far between. The mainstream artists of the 60's/70's used to be talented musicians in their own right. The mainstream artists now are mostly manufactured entities. Most cannot play a single bloody note on an instrument. It's all social media hype and internet marketing. Take a band like Toto for example, pretty mainstream back in the day, but they were all talented session musicians who spent years honing their craft. I cannot think of one mainstream musician today who spent any time learning their craft in studios supporting other acts. Technology has a lot to do with this because you can duplicate studio environments 'in-the-box' these days but you cannot duplicate the experience that goes with it and it shows.

Uncle Salty made a statement - 'That's why 'our' music is best. Not because of the production, the tonalities, the style, the lyrics, etc.' - I disagree with that particular line because for me it IS about these things. I do however agree with everything else he has to say but that particular line stood out for me.

Now for my next pet peeve - that word 'featuring'............
'The purpose of life is a life of purpose' - Athena Orchard.
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#12
Now for my next pet peeve - that word 'featuring'............

don't get me started
too late
wth came up with that bs
was there something wrong with and or with?
was it not working?
:mad2:

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#13
People are creating crap but there is no-one there to tell them that the material sucks

.........which is why I'm here

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#14
Me too I suppose. Hell, somebody has to tell them or we will be inundated with mediocre music.
'The purpose of life is a life of purpose' - Athena Orchard.
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#15
really guys? all you need to do is dig a little deeper. music is better than ever, and yes, that DOES go for genres like prog rock too. just start looking into "bands that are similar to x"
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#16
lieu Wrote:really guys? all you need to do is dig a little deeper. music is better than ever, and yes, that DOES go for genres like prog rock too. just start looking into "bands that are similar to x"

I listen to at least three artists ive never heard of every week both old and new, some are really bad, some are good and others, well, I love what I hear...

maybe you could give me a list of artists you think I need to hear, any genre, any era and i'll give them a whirl and let you know what I think of them.
"BTO....Bachman,Turner,Overweight
They were big in the 70s....for five minutes,on a Saturday,after lunch..."  -  Me 2014.


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#17
Music Head Wrote:People are creating crap but there is no-one there to tell them that the material sucks

.........which is why I'm here

you need to holler a bit louder mate, Bieber, Kanye, Rihanna, Beyoncé etc are still releasing music.
"BTO....Bachman,Turner,Overweight
They were big in the 70s....for five minutes,on a Saturday,after lunch..."  -  Me 2014.


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#18
back to Jerome's comments on "producers"....

just about all of the modern artists produce themselves so they are in charge mate, no one else to tell them or advise them.
"BTO....Bachman,Turner,Overweight
They were big in the 70s....for five minutes,on a Saturday,after lunch..."  -  Me 2014.


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#19
lieu Wrote:really guys? all you need to do is dig a little deeper. music is better than ever, and yes, that DOES go for genres like prog rock too. just start looking into "bands that are similar to x"
we all know we have to dig
we are complaining about what rises to the top
what becomes popular
"music is better than ever" :laugh:

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#20
well said MH....
"BTO....Bachman,Turner,Overweight
They were big in the 70s....for five minutes,on a Saturday,after lunch..."  -  Me 2014.


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