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I'd love to agree with the recent responses but I think there is a pretty accepted punk 'sound' - so it is a musical genre.
The punk ideal of anti-trend and anti-conformist might have started out in tandem with the music but you don't have to sound punk to be punk (or vice-versa), I think.
The fact that there are a lot of bands out there chasing the current trend is hardly a new phenomenon.
(I'd also say that the Sex Pistols were pretty image-conscious)
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bryce Wrote::eek: THANK YOU!! this has been, by far, the responce that i was looking for and although i don't mind those trendy sounds, i do want that new sound. if you have recommondations for me shoot.
check out my band... we're not trying to sound like anyone else really... we just do what sounds right to us... forgive the live performances, i just started singing backup...
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CMB1888 Wrote:I'd love to agree with the recent responses but I think there is a pretty accepted punk 'sound' - so it is a musical genre.
The punk ideal of anti-trend and anti-conformist might have started out in tandem with the music but you don't have to sound punk to be punk (or vice-versa), I think.
The fact that there are a lot of bands out there chasing the current trend is hardly a new phenomenon.
(I'd also say that the Sex Pistols were pretty image-conscious)
The word "punk" in relation to music is another umbrella term and I repute as to how some bands are called "punk" or "rock" or whatever genre based on this misconception of what being punk is. I mean one of my closest friends at uni, called Green Day "punk" and they are NOT, by a long shot, especially after succumbing to popular culture and commercialism of the music industry now.
Yes, I'd have to agree with you to say that you dont need to be sound punk to be punk but im waiting for the next sub-genre of punk to revitalise the music industry from this popular, hip-hop, "R&B" shit that i hear on the radio.
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jwee5467 Wrote:The word "punk" in relation to music is another umbrella term and I repute as to how some bands are called "punk" or "rock" or whatever genre based on this misconception of what being punk is. I mean one of my closest friends at uni, called Green Day "punk" and they are NOT, by a long shot, especially after succumbing to popular culture and commercialism of the music industry now.
Yes, I'd have to agree with you to say that you dont need to be sound punk to be punk but im waiting for the next sub-genre of punk to revitalise the music industry from this popular, hip-hop, "R&B" shit that i hear on the radio.
Punk has changed over the years... Or better yet, society's definition of punk... Most kids now think Green Day is punk because they dress like modern day punks, and their music is heard by the youth... at first, I would have to say Punk started during the 60's... Even though it wasn't called punk, they had the same views. Mainly rebellion against the norm, and drugs... Punk has changed every decade because the youth has changed every decade... So have recording styles...
And i can't agree more with what you said about the "popular hip hop, r&b shit"... radio is shit now, it's all repetitive.. Somebody please teach these people to write interesting music!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, see yes being punk or dressing punk doesn't make you punk (in the musical sense). I mean, the whole thing about punk and punk rock was that you didn't hav to be good at music to make good music; they used what they had and what they could do... and some of the most iconic American and British punk rock classics are based on three chords - it's a thing of beauty.
Yes, in fact IMO punk definitely started in the 60s or what other punk enthusiasts call punk (not the motion of being rebellious which is essentially punk) with the emergence of The Velvet Underground and their hit - Heroin.
I don't think we need to teach the modern day audience how to learn to like interesting music and write it, but back in the late 70s, like when The Cure was starting out with The Banshees; they still had the same views - Interesting/Experimental Music can never become popular in popular culture. The Cure changed that, but it seems to have gone out the window with the lack of what I call "Lyric People" as opposed th "Music" people, who look at the melodies and catchy tunes of the song rather than the meaning and origin and poetry of the song.
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jwee5467 Wrote:...the whole thing about punk and punk rock was that you didn't hav to be good at music to make good music; they used what they had and what they could do... and some of the most iconic American and British punk rock classics are based on three chords...in fact IMO punk definitely started in the 60s...but it seems to have gone out the window with the lack of what I call "Lyric People" as opposed th "Music" people...
But that was all done with early rock and folk, even before the so-called pre-punk stuff of the late 60s. Bob Dylan is just one example. And for that matter, so was Woody Guthrie and the early blues icons like Robert Johnson, Blind Lemon...
The thing about the punk movement was that it claimed to own all the ideas you describe, and then tried using them to beat all the classic rock bands over the head as a way to promote themselves. Ironically, from a commercial standpoint, that seemed to work, even as the punk bands claimed not to be commercial.
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It was impossible for musicians to try and be purely authentic - commericalism and money and drugs took over their lives and they all "sold out" even the purists out there. It doesn't help that music has gone digital.
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jwee5467 Wrote:It doesn't help that music has gone digital.
I would have thought that that this would have helped people 'do their own thing' - not hinder
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1. not when people around the world are able to obtain free copies for music that they want and it really causes a disrespect to the artists and the music industry in general.
2. sure technology, has improved some music and we have branched into new and extravagant effects but surely at the core of punk and rock and roll is the fact that music is meant to be made with the bare essentials - a guitar, bass, drums and a mic.
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I think the music industry does far greater disrespect to true artists than illegal downloading, considering they use their considerable resources to bludgeon them into conforming with their standards, especially if they are a small-time act (or relatively so) that has actual integrity. That and they butcher their royalties.
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