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I read the news today, oh boy! - CRAZY-HORSE - 07-12-2016 ooops, sorry! I read the news today, oh boy! - Oceansoul - 07-12-2016 Oh, I think I misinterpreted your post too, my bad. I read the news today, oh boy! - Oceansoul - 07-12-2016 Just going to add, I think there is something to be said for fear. I think ISIS/ISIL enjoy seeing the west and different countries reacting in fear towards them, it gives them a little victory knowing they have gotten under someone's skin. Which isn't to say they aren't a serious threat or anything. I read the news today, oh boy! - Jerome - 08-12-2016 Ruby Wrote:^^^Uh oh. Actually, MH, that editorial is not factual, and Iâm about to set the cat among the pigeons â climbing up on my soapbox again ⦠forgive me; I am not inclined to engage in these discussions too much, but Iâve been giving this whole issue some thought. So ⦠at the risk of becoming persona non grata ⦠Once again you hit the nail on the head. A great summary Ruby. Especially that last paragraph - everyone seems to have forgotten about that. Just after SA changed hands politically, a shitload of American businessmen arrived by plane load to offer Madiba hundreds of thousands of jobs by setting up multinationals (with preferential corporate tax rates of course). Nelson told them to go away as he was not prepared to let the people pay for the shortfall in tax that the country would incur. The money guys could not believe he turned them down, and they went away with their tail between their legs. And I distinctly remember this not being mentioned in the international press too much. So where did they go next? Ireland. The Irish business model works like this - offer US conglomerates ridiculously low corporate tax rates but tax the local population to death to make up for the shortfall in tax. As an example, a company here made 151million in profit and only paid 1800 (that's one thousand eight hundred euro) in tax. I think Castro had the right idea but was not able to implement it correctly. Anyway, as Ruby correctly states, Cuba's track record on healthcare, education, crime, homelessness and home ownership is astounding. Way ahead of most countries in the world. There was method to his madness after all. If Cuba is now opened up to the regular 'market forces' it will be destroyed in the space of 20 years or less. All those bankers, lawyers, accountants and insurance salesmen will **** it up for sure. They always do. I read the news today, oh boy! - bob_32_116 - 08-12-2016 I just got round to reading Ruby's post in full: very well put, Ruby. I would rather live in a democracy than a dictatorship, but not all dictatorships are the same. Nor are all democracies. One thing I would add that really made me sit up and take notice: apparently Cuba will be legislating a ban on naming monuments, streets, parks etc after Fidel Castro, because it was his expressed wish that he not be immortalised in this way. He did not want a personality cult; he considered the principles of the revolution more important than himself. How many dictators can you think of who would subscribe to that? To me that says it all. He may have got one or two things wring; he may have used some methods that you and I would not approve of, but he was doing it for what he thought were the right reasons, and not just for himself. I read the news today, oh boy! - Oceansoul - 08-12-2016 The ends doesn't justify the means even if someone has good intentions. I read the news today, oh boy! - Jerome - 08-12-2016 But the results speak for themselves. In some cases the ends do indeed justify the means. Human beings are basically incapable of managing things correctly if left to their own devices. Sometimes it takes a strong personality/character/visionary to guide them. They aren't always perfect people, but they have the ability to see a lot further down the road than most. And Cuba's model is a damn sight better than the American one. And I am NOT anti-American but you only have to look at the day to day headlines to realize you are in one hell of a mess - just like most western 'democracies', including Germany, Italy, Ireland, England etc. Capitalism is based on profit. And in order for one party to profit another has to be exploited. It's not sustainable. There is far too much reliance on making money 'out of thin air' - like those trading on the stock exchanges of the world, instead of producing something worthwhile. Globalisation will eat itself. BTW - watch out for the new financial crisis - coming soon to a theatre near you. I read the news today, oh boy! - Oceansoul - 08-12-2016 Jerome Wrote:But the results speak for themselves. In some cases the ends do indeed justify the means. Human beings are basically incapable of managing things correctly if left to their own devices. Sometimes it takes a strong personality/character/visionary to guide them. They aren't always perfect people, but they have the ability to see a lot further down the road than most. And Cuba's model is a damn sight better than the American one. And I am NOT anti-American but you only have to look at the day to day headlines to realize you are in one hell of a mess - just like most western 'democracies', including Germany, Italy, Ireland, England etc. Capitalism is based on profit. And in order for one party to profit another has to be exploited. It's not sustainable. There is far too much reliance on making money 'out of thin air' - like those trading on the stock exchanges of the world, instead of producing something worthwhile. Globalisation will eat itself. BTW - watch out for the new financial crisis - coming soon to a theatre near you. And I opened up a philosophical can of worms. Do you think that the outcome matters much to someone who was hurt or persecuted by Castro though? I think actions do matter and they say a lot about a person. And there are Cubans who have fled from there, I'm guessing there is a reason? I don't think that Capitalism is a perfect system either, exploitation and economic inequality is a problem, and it has excesses that need to be curbed. On the other hand, I don't think it's a good idea to place so much power in one person's hands and not be able to express yourself nor your opinion. That is quite a risk to take. I read the news today, oh boy! - GustavoWoltmann - 11-12-2016 I read the news today that the MAINTENANCE work on the Bridge of the Americas will be suspended on five days over the seasonal holidays to give drivers some relief from the daily crawl.[FONT="]Work will sto December 23,24,25, 30 and 31 of and on January 1. This is great. thanks for the publishers who posted this news. This is a big relief for those who will travel in Panama. Hope the traffic is good on your town too during holidays. Regards, Gustavo Woltmann[/FONT] I read the news today, oh boy! - Jerome - 15-12-2016 King Crimson - Radical Action to Unseat the Hold of Monkey Mind - Where DO people get these titles from??????? |