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Politics - Lovely Linda - 29-01-2017
Oceansoul Wrote:If the environment in Mexico were to be improved there, then that would likely help reduce illegal immigration here.
And illegal immigrants can still get here even if a border wall is built. Some already come here by plane and overstay their visas and others by boat.
I agree with Oceansoul on this one. If they want to come bad enough there is always a way to get here.
A wall will not stop all terrorists. As I said as well as others who know, it's just a matter of time before we get hit hard.
However, the wall will stop some.
Politics - CRAZY-HORSE - 29-01-2017
of course they will always get there if they really want to, but why make it easy for them with open borders?,
make it as difficult as possible I say...
the vast majority do come over the open border,
and just remember when it comes to the terrorists, we can foil a thousand plots, but they only have to get lucky once and they've achieved their aim.
Politics - Oceansoul - 29-01-2017
Well, there are fences and border security already so define open border. It's just that people have managed to get passed it. When my parents drove to California a few years ago, they drove through Texas and New Mexico and got close to the border so security officers stopped them and checked their car for illegal immigrants hiding there. People hide and smuggle.
Politics - Lovely Linda - 29-01-2017
I would think with the Donald in the WH. he has made the terrorists mad enough that it may be sooner than we think.
I did hear on the news a couple of days ago about the mention of a nuclear war.
Politics - Lovely Linda - 29-01-2017
There is not enough security on the borders or in the air.
I remember when I was in school we had no need for cops. Now with all the crime, the schools here are patrolled by cops.
Even the hospital here, every time I go the cops are there. Last time, they took a guy out in handcuffs.
Politics - CRAZY-HORSE - 29-01-2017
Oceansoul Wrote:Well, there are fences and border security already so define open border. It's just that people have managed to get passed it. When my parents drove to California a few years ago, they drove through Texas and New Mexico and got close to the border so security officers stopped them and checked their car for illegal immigrants hiding there. People hide and smuggle.
according to a Washington Post report, as of 2014 there were still over 700 miles of unprotected borders between Mexico/US
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/3/700-miles-us-mexico-border-still-insecure-congress/
there used to be a show on tv, think it was called Border Patrol (or similar), which focused on the US Border Protection teams
as they stake out certain areas of the border waiting for illegals, raid houses just inside the border etc etc...
a thankless, difficult job in the often rough terrain, especially in the heat of summer...
I remember them saying that our of every one person they stop another ten make it through,
maybe Trump's wall will improve the odds of keeping more of them out...
and each one that gets through and illegally gets a job in the US is one less job for a legal US citizen/resident...
I doubt many people would have an issue if there were ten million Mexicans in the US as long as they went there lawfully,
its the illegals that people dislike, has nothing to do with racism (the same as every other country
Politics - CRAZY-HORSE - 29-01-2017
Lovely Linda Wrote:I would think with the Donald in the WH. he has made the terrorists mad enough that it may be sooner than we think.
I did hear on the news a couple of days ago about the mention of a nuclear war.
the terrorists don't need an excuse, their excuse is their twisted version of The Koran whereby they make up their own meaning to the teachings in it...
back in the UK/Northern Ireland through the 1970s-80 there was a big thing with the IRA (Irish Republican Army), a terrorist Paramilitary organisation that didn't want the British in Nthn Ireland,
they used to make bombs and detonate them in public places in the UK maiming and killing civilians,
the British military/Police used to foil dozens of plots every year and as the IRA used to say "you have to get it right 100% of the time, we only have to get lucky once".
its the same with the current crop of terrorists, they achieve their aim if they manage to do one thing that kills people, and sooner or later they will
succeed again, whether its another incident like the Boston Bombing or another 9/11, makes no difference to them.
I think all Trump is really saying is that the US is coming to get them however and by whatever means possible, something that should have happened years ago IMO..
and I think he needs to make a pact with China and Russia to all work together to solve the Mid East situation whether its by force or by all agreeing not to arm any of those groups or nations anymore, because all three are as bad as each other (as is France/UK/Germany etc)
Politics - Oceansoul - 29-01-2017
Steve Bannon is insane. Can't believe this creep is a personal advisor of the president.
Politics - Oceansoul - 29-01-2017
CRAZY-HORSE Wrote:the terrorists don't need an excuse, their excuse is their twisted version of The Koran whereby they make up their own meaning to the teachings in it...Trump doesn't seem to like China. And if the U.S. goes after radical Islamic terrorism as he wants to, what will Trump want done, anyway? Putin has his own interests, how can he be trusted? He stands behind enemies of our allies and supports regimes.
back in the UK/Northern Ireland through the 1970s-80 there was a big thing with the IRA (Irish Republican Army), a terrorist Paramilitary organisation that didn't want the British in Nthn Ireland,
they used to make bombs and detonate them in public places in the UK maiming and killing civilians,
the British military/Police used to foil dozens of plots every year and as the IRA used to say "you have to get it right 100% of the time, we only have to get lucky once".
its the same with the current crop of terrorists, they achieve their aim if they manage to do one thing that kills people, and sooner or later they will
succeed again, whether its another incident like the Boston Bombing or another 9/11, makes no difference to them.
I think all Trump is really saying is that the US is coming to get them however and by whatever means possible, something that should have happened years ago IMO..
and I think he needs to make a pact with China and Russia to all work together to solve the Mid East situation whether its by force or by all agreeing not to arm any of those groups or nations anymore, because all three are as bad as each other (as is France/UK/Germany etc)
Did you know Trump is considering a second chance attempt in Iraq to take their oil now? Iraq is a sovereign country. He might be putting U.S. troops in danger soon. Trump said we should've taken Iraq's oil and that it caused ISIL.http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politi...oil-isis-iraq/
The Middle East is an unstable place. I'm not sure how to solve the problems there. Arming rebels and people we don't know has backfired and shown that we shouldn't do it again, I think.
Politics - Oceansoul - 29-01-2017
CRAZY-HORSE Wrote:according to a Washington Post report, as of 2014 there were still over 700 miles of unprotected borders between Mexico/USAh, okay it might depend on the location then. Illegal immigrants come here for better circumstances and jobs. Illegal immigrants are apart of our economy. They don't have worker's protections, they don't get benefits or tax returns. But here's the thing, what about businesses and companies that hire illegal workers? Shouldn't they also be reprimanded for hiring them, in the first place? Did you know that Trump allowed the hiring of some undocumented workers to help build Trump Tower?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/3/700-miles-us-mexico-border-still-insecure-congress/
there used to be a show on tv, think it was called Border Patrol (or similar), which focused on the US Border Protection teams
as they stake out certain areas of the border waiting for illegals, raid houses just inside the border etc etc...
a thankless, difficult job in the often rough terrain, especially in the heat of summer...
I remember them saying that our of every one person they stop another ten make it through,
maybe Trump's wall will improve the odds of keeping more of them out...
and each one that gets through and illegally gets a job in the US is one less job for a legal US citizen/resident...
I doubt many people would have an issue if there were ten million Mexicans in the US as long as they went there lawfully,
its the illegals that people dislike, has nothing to do with racism (the same as every other country
http://time.com/4465744/donald-trump-undocumented-workers/
It is best for people to come here legally, though I think giving people a chance to become a legal U.S. resident could be offered. If they don't want it then okay, they don't really want to participate. I know and have family friends who are Mexican. There is racism where I live towards them.