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Politics - CRAZY-HORSE - 26-01-2017
Oceansoul Wrote:He just gave terrorist organizations like IS and Al Qaeda ammo to use against us. They can say, "See this is evidence that the West does hate Muslims, join us and fight against them!"
Good job, Donald.
Also, this is discrimination and his lack of empathy for innocent suffering refugees is appalling.
they don't need any "ammo" as you put it, the Muslim terror groups have enough excuses in their Koran (well, the way they interpret it anyway).
like I said before you cant prove who is a genuine refugee anymore...
are you aware Pakistan has closed its borders to Afghan refugees because they cant work out who is who, and theyre a predominantly Muslim country?!
Politics - Oceansoul - 26-01-2017
CRAZY-HORSE Wrote:they don't need any "ammo" as you put it, the Muslim terror groups have enough excuses in their Koran (well, the way they interpret it anyway).And not every Muslim interprets the Quran the same way. They try to convince other Muslims in these parts of the Middle East that their ideology is right, try to recruit them, and do use shock and fear tactics, that's what terrorists do. They kill other Muslims like Shi'a as these organizations tend to be Sunni, or practice Wahhabism.
like I said before you cant prove who is a genuine refugee anymore...
are you aware Pakistan has closed its borders to Afghan refugees because they cant work out who is who, and theyre a predominantly Muslim country?!
I disagree with a ban on the basis of a person's religion. I agree with a vetting process and integration program instead.
Politics - CRAZY-HORSE - 26-01-2017
which is why Pakistan has banned them, because thy cant tell the good from the bad guys, and if a Muslim country cant weed out the terrorists how are we, who aren't Muslim expected to be able to do it?
Politics - Oceansoul - 26-01-2017
Pakistan has Al Qaeda members there already. That's where Osama Bin Laden hid for years and the Navy Seals found him. Maybe they are being cautious. The problem is that they are likely to start a humanitarian crisis in the process by pushing Afghan refugees back to Afghanistan.
Politics - CRAZY-HORSE - 26-01-2017
in other words, theyre having trouble weeding out the ones who are already there so why create a bigger problem by not knowing who is coming over the borders now and in the future...
don't you think we have enough so called "potential homegrown terrorists" in the West without the bringing in others who may be more radicalised?
Christ, we cant even weed out the local ones so how are we going to weed out the ones who are trained to avoid being caught, and also probably have first hand experience
at bomb making and murdering?
the safety of our own civilians should be the #1 priority of our respective Governments first and foremost.
and that's my last word on the matter, we're never going to agree on this issue so why bother,
Politics - Oceansoul - 26-01-2017
CRAZY-HORSE Wrote:in other words, theyre having trouble weeding out the ones who are already there so why create a bigger problem by not knowing who is coming over the borders now and in the future...I just checked more into this. One of the reasons Pakistan is closing their borders to Afghan refugees is because they can't afford to accept more of them flooding in, they already struggle to handle the numbers they have. Pakistan has problems like rising unemployment. Afghan refugees were originally accepted into Pakistan. Some people want them kicked out. Alas, a humanitarian crisis is looming at the border now. There was a clash last year between Pakistani and Afghan forces at the border and now there is more of a crackdown on undocumented people.
don't you think we have enough so called "potential homegrown terrorists" in the West without the bringing in others who may be more radicalised?
Christ, we cant even weed out the local ones so how are we going to weed out the ones who are trained to avoid being caught, and also probably have first hand experience
at bomb making and murdering?
the safety of our own civilians should be the #1 priority of our respective Governments first and foremost.
and that's my last word on the matter, we're never going to agree on this issue so why bother,
I don't think we should blindly accept people entering the country, and do support certain security measures, but I don't agree with a Muslim ban.
Oh believe me, where I live Muslim families are treated like potential threats as it is and people watch them like hawks. The ban is hardly going to make relations between Muslim Americans and the rest of the country better though.
And you're right that you and I will not agree on the issue. Should people who come here follow our laws and assimilate? Yes, that is a fair trade off for being accepted here.
Politics - Oceansoul - 27-01-2017
On Conan recently:
"Big day in Hollywood. You probably all heard the news. The Oscar nominations came out today, and the movie La La Land got 14 nominations. However, that's only because 3 to 5 million undocumented immigrants voted illegally."
Politics - Jerome - 27-01-2017
CRAZY-HORSE Wrote:in other words, theyre having trouble weeding out the ones who are already there so why create a bigger problem by not knowing who is coming over the borders now and in the future...
don't you think we have enough so called "potential homegrown terrorists" in the West without the bringing in others who may be more radicalised?
Christ, we cant even weed out the local ones so how are we going to weed out the ones who are trained to avoid being caught, and also probably have first hand experience
at bomb making and murdering?
the safety of our own civilians should be the #1 priority of our respective Governments first and foremost.
and that's my last word on the matter, we're never going to agree on this issue so why bother,
I agree 100% with you. Look at the bloody mess that has been created in Germany. People defecating in public swimming pools, women being assaulted and groped, a huge jump in the crime rate. And all because the limp-wristed liberal political establishment looks the other way and will not deal with the issue and then fiddles the stats to make it appear that there isn't really a problem. Remember Nice - soon coming to a theatre near you.
And as for the American taxpayer forking out to build a wall, they are already forking out millions to support illegal immigrants every day so why not pay for a wall to prevent more burden on the taxpayer.
Politics - Oceansoul - 27-01-2017
Jerome Wrote:I agree 100% with you. Look at the bloody mess that has been created in Germany. People defecating in public swimming pools, women being assaulted and groped, a huge jump in the crime rate. And all because the limp-wristed liberal political establishment looks the other way and will not deal with the issue and then fiddles the stats to make it appear that there isn't really a problem. Remember Nice - soon coming to a theatre near you.Germany has an open door policy, not a screening process, and has made mistakes regarding letting people who are known threats into the country. I certainly wouldn't let people who commit crimes, refugee or not, get away with it though. Hasn't Merkel admitted that the crisis has been handled poorly?
Politics - Oceansoul - 27-01-2017
Jerome Wrote:And as for the American taxpayer forking out to build a wall, they are already forking out millions to support illegal immigrants every day so why not pay for a wall to prevent more burden on the taxpayer.Well, Trump promised his supporters that Mexico would pay for the wall. I don't think they would want it to come out of their pockets. But Mexico pretty much told him, "hell no". The price tag on it is currently over $15bn.