CRAZY-HORSE Wrote:sorry Ocean but I agree with Jerome....
most of them are not genuine refugees at all, theyre trying to either relocate uder the guise of being refugees or as Jerome says, they are terrorists with agendas...

and you cant say it doesn't happen, the Coalition caught over a hundred of Saddam's henchmen disguised as women in Burkas trying to flee Iraq, who knows what theyd have got up to had they not been caught.

im sorry (well im not really), but Europe needs to close its borders and stop them coming in just like the UK has now done, or in the process of doing, they are a drain on the welfare system of countries where they go, they live in their own communities and don't assimilate into the general population and that in itself is a breeding ground for extremism.

look at it this way, it has been estimated in some quarters that only 1% of Muslims are extremist or are open to extremist persuasion, sounds great doesn't it, right?!???
but theres over one billion Muslims in the world, and 1% equates to a possible ten million possible terrorists out there,
ok,
so lets give them the benefit of the doubt at only 0.5% being of extremist views shall we, that equates to one million possible terrorists spread throughout the world,
or even better, 0.1% of them having those ideals, that's half a million possible terrorists living amongst us,
no, that's not scare mongering, that's a reality.

WE need to stop them coming in to our countries full stop.
the Coalition should leave the mid-east and let the "muslim world" sort out their own problems, we do not need the deaths of our military personnel, our civillians or our welfare systems being stretched for a war that isn't ours.

heres a first hand experience direct from a former refugee as told to me by him earlier this year as I was building his house here in the outer suburbs of Perth.

he and his wife escaped Rwanda during their Civil War a decade or so ago.
they were recently granted asylum here in Australia, great, genuine refugees, I have no problem with that, they've suffered and been displaced through no fault of their own.
their house that was getting built was bigger than the average house here, five bedrooms, three bathrooms, four living areas...it was huge!
they also (the husband and wife) each had a brand now 4x4/four wheel drive vehicle.
the cars would have been in the vicinity of $45K each, the house around $350K to build, plus the land, which in that area was valued around $280K...
the owner told me that because theyre refugees from a war torn country that they don't have to get the same sort of housing/car loans as the rest of us hard working Australians, they get a special loan from the Federal Government that requires them (the owners words) "to pay back what they can afford each month"...

that is bullcrap IMO, most Australians would be lucky to have what they've got and they've never paid a days taxes in their lives in this country...

and people wonder why WE don't want them here when they get all that???!!!

CRAZY-HORSE Wrote:that "small percentage" as you say runs into the millions, bad luck, either the Muslim community weeds out and exposes these savages or theyre as complicate as the offenders.

so, its okay for them to come to a country and be given more than most of the locals could ever dream of owning?

and heres another thing....
they come here, they celebrate their own religious holidays, wear their burkas, open their mosques, and openly practice their beliefs.
if we went to some of their countries we would not be allowed to practice our Christian beliefs or celebrate our holidays, and our women would have
to wear long pants/dresses and don a scarf to cover their heads/hair,
that is wrong, they either fit in with our culture/beliefs (as we must in their country) or they simply don't come here,

so yes, ban them entering western countries until they learn to assimilate as a whole or until they weed out the extremists in their ranks.

and Halal....Jesus Christ,
BBQ's are a huge thing here in Australia, probably bigger than the US, and in some parks where there are bbq's some are now designated "halal friendly"...WTF,
so the average Aussie cannot now use bbq's if their meat is not halal!!!!
even fast food outlets have to be halal friendly now, sorry but why should we accommodate them and get nothing in return???

and whole were at it, we should send all the do-gooders to the mid-east and say "you love them so much, go and live with them,see how far you get when you want equal rights and your wives want an equal say in things"!

that's it, you know how I feel about this subject, im signing off this subject.

CRAZY-HORSE Wrote:so yes, ban them entering western countries until they learn to assimilate as a whole or until they weed out the extremists in their ranks.

Jerome Wrote:I do not want to get into a massive argument with anyone on the forum but you have to understand one thing about Europe. Nobody - and I mean NOBODY wants to do anything about anything in the EU. In the USA or OZ politicians will actually stand up for their beliefs, right or wrong. In Europe we have a bunch of useless pen pushers who are only concerned with the huge salaries they are making. Can they make a decision on anything? No they can't is the simple answer. Crime increases and they invent statistics to prove the opposite - in fact they will do anything to avoid confronting the problem. 'Let's not rock the boat in case we lose that golden pension and that hugely inflated salary we aren't doing anything for.' We have become so politically correct that we are starting to pardon the criminals and persecute/prosecute the victims. This is the insane situation we have arrived at due to the stupidity of spineless politicians. I do NOT agree with the extreme right wing elements but I can see why they are gaining ground all over Europe. The powers that be are currently too thick or cowardly to deal with the reality that is right on their doorstep and people are starting to take matters into their own hands because they are tired of living in fear. History repeats itself. Europe is going to go back to war - sure as eggs are eggs. Just a matter of time. I remember working with a Portuguese engineer back in SA in the 90's (Armando Perrera - sp???). He predicted all of this crap that is going on now in Europe. I though he was nuts at the time. Turns out he was spot on.

Jerome Wrote:This is what Europe is turning into - and this is only ONE country - it's happening everywhere and no-one wants to do anything about it. Don't try and tell me that these are simply refugees - BS! This is orchestrated - pure and simple.

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