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Politics - Lovely Linda - 12-10-2016
My bad. I was under the impression that most here were more liberal so would side with Hillary more as Pres.
Except for Jerome who doesn't give a crap about either :laugh:
He is the one who has it right :wink:
Politics - Oceansoul - 12-10-2016
Lovely Linda Wrote:My bad. I was under the impression that most here were more liberal so would side with Hillary more as Pres.
I can't speak for most here, but I am technically a Liberal. I think I'm more to the left than Hillary is even. I did mention that I supported Sanders who is pretty leftist and a democratic socialist.
And just because someone will not vote for Trump that does not make them a Hillary lover, seriously.
Politics - Oceansoul - 12-10-2016
I've read what Jill Stein's and Gary Johnson's stances and positions are and I don't consider either of them up for the job either. I don't consider Trump to be and so who else can I vote for, Batman? No one in this election is an ideal candidate for me so there is always the option of not voting, but I don't see myself doing that.
hrugs:
Politics - LMD - 12-10-2016
Oceansoul Wrote:it absolutely sickens me when I see the guilty party get away with it and I have seen them walk free even being allowed near children and my home state nor local court will do anything. However, everyone has the right to a fair trial and that means having a defense attorney if someone has potentially committed a crime. But yeah, I do get angry when I hear of a guy who gets a slap on the wrist from a judge or walks away scott free or a light sentence.
As someone who did multiple internships in DA's offices (including one under a person who at one point worked in the Sex Crimes Bureau), worked closely with other ADAs ("Assistant District Attorneys"/prosecutors for those who may not know American legal mumbo jumbo), and dealt with defense attorneys, trust me when I tell you that NO ONE likes when guilty rapists get off. Even defending them is tough. It's a job, but it's not easy.
I wanted to get into criminal law, but life took me a different direction, so I don't deal with rape or sexual assaults too much, but let me tell you; when I got to nail a rapist it felt amazing. Like those three years of misery in law school were totally worth it.
No one likes rapists or sexual assault-ers. Sometimes we attorneys get dealt crummy hands and have to defend them. I've got a case kicking around where a kid killed himself, at least partially, because his parents beat him. I'm representing the parents at this point. It's not an easy pill to swallow, but, that's my job. But I look at those parents and then I look to the girl who's able to collect a ridiculous amount of money from her rapist to pay for all the therapy she's needed to get over that traumatic experience. That's how I sleep at night. That's how I represent scummy people. Most lawyers I know act the same way; there's some bad cases, but the good ones make up for them.
So, moral of the story; don't judge attorneys by their bad cases. We do do a lot of good too. Especially criminal lawyers, where they're required to represent those clients.
Politics - Oceansoul - 12-10-2016
LMD Wrote:As someone who did multiple internships in DA's offices (including one under a person who at one point worked in the Sex Crimes Bureau), worked closely with other ADAs ("Assistant District Attorneys"/prosecutors for those who may not know American legal mumbo jumbo), and dealt with defense attorneys, trust me when I tell you that NO ONE likes when guilty rapists get off. Even defending them is tough. It's a job, but it's not easy.
I wanted to get into criminal law, but life took me a different direction, so I don't deal with rape or sexual assaults too much, but let me tell you; when I got to nail a rapist it felt amazing. Like those three years of misery in law school were totally worth it.
No one likes rapists or sexual assault-ers. Sometimes we attorneys get dealt crummy hands and have to defend them. I've got a case kicking around where a kid killed himself, at least partially, because his parents beat him. I'm representing the parents at this point. It's not an easy pill to swallow, but, that's my job. But I look at those parents and then I look to the girl who's able to collect a ridiculous amount of money from her rapist to pay for all the therapy she's needed to get over that traumatic experience. That's how I sleep at night. That's how I represent scummy people. Most lawyers I know act the same way; there's some bad cases, but the good ones make up for them.
So, moral of the story; don't judge attorneys by their bad cases. We do do a lot of good too. Especially criminal lawyers, where they're required to represent those clients.
Thank you for sharing your perspective! I imagine it is very hard to have a case where the victim has gone through so much pain and the person you are defending might've been responsible for it or was. I'm not a defense lawyer nor an attorney so I don't know what it's like to be in their nor your shoes and have to defend potentially scummy human beings. It's a part of our justice system for a reason and most do the best that they can to help people.
It really breaks my heart knowing what some people are capable of doing to others. :frown:
Politics - Lovely Linda - 12-10-2016
I went back and checked the video again and FOX does say she was elected to defend the attacker.
Oceansoul, really don't want to get into this again but America does have a love affair with the Clintons.
It is a known fact. Not saying that you do because I did say I was sorry and I meant it.
I know some who vote for Clinton do not feel this way.
I had thought about writing in just to be part of the election because I really as I have said before don't care for either.
Hope this clears things up.
Hope you will accept my apology so this will end this.
Politics - Lovely Linda - 12-10-2016
One more thing, what gets me is the attitude Hillary had about the rape case (laughing). This case was nothing to laugh at. Do all defenders take a case when they know the attacker was guilty.
Cause Hillary knew he was guilty. That is my problem with this case and it would be no matter who took the case.
Btw, my attacker was never even tried. I was a child with no one to help me.
Politics - Lovely Linda - 12-10-2016
Thank you LMD for your input. I appreciate that from a person who knows the legal system.
I don't think I could ever be a defense lawyer. I could not sleep at night knowing I had anything to do with a rapist basically being set free to rape again and from experience most will.
Politics - bob_32_116 - 12-10-2016
Thank heavens the US has presidential elections only once every four years. Does this thread go to sleep in years not divisible by 4?
On the other hand, maybe that would not be a bad thing. Political threads on non-political fora can get pretty poisonous on occasion, and this site seems to be no exception.
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I do want to make one comment, nothing to do with U.S. politics or any other country's politics, but more about lawyers, criminals and the police. My research at university was on stuff with forensic application, so I got exposed quite a bit to the way most of them think, both by reading stuff and by speaking to them first-hand.
The police want to catch criminals and get them the punishment they deserve via the justice system. That's their job. Well, it's part of their job. They are very experienced at following slim leads, using lots of advanced technology plus "gut feeling" based on years of experience, to identify the criminal and bring them to court. It's understandable that they feel angry and frustrated when a court acquits the person or finds them guilty but hands them a lighter sentence than they would wish. I have heard police refer to defence lawyers as "The Dark Side". After all, the police did the work... they KNOW this person is the guilty party. Well, they think they do....
But, of course, occasionally they get it wrong. there are many cases where someone was convicted, and later evidence has emerged that proves beyond all doubt that they were innocent. Society (well, most human societies) allows those who we are almost certain are guilty to grasp at whatever chance they can find to prove their innocence, or even to demonstrate that guilt cannot be proven beyond reasonable doubt. We do this according to the ancient but honourable guideline that it is "better that ten guilty men walk free than for one innocent person to hang".and it is one of the things that makes us human rather than animal.
A couple of times I have met a female barrister who has a thing called "The Innocence Project." She looks at cases where someone was convicted and it just doesn't feel right for some reason, and digs for extra information, and on occasion has succeeded in having a case reopened and a conviction overturned. The police, and some of the legal profession, hate her. It's a pretty bad reflection on them, after all, when they are shown to have got it wrong. but how would you feel about it if you were one of those wrongly convicted?
When someone is murdered, beaten or raped, it's a natural reaction to say someone must pay - but it's the mark of a civilised society that we don't have lynch mobs, we have a complicated and sluggish justice system, and inevitably sometimes a guilty party will get away with it. It happens - but I think it's better than the alternative. Yes, someone should pay, but above all, it must not be an innocent person who pays.
Politics - CRAZY-HORSE - 12-10-2016
Well said bob_32.